Typos or errors, report them HERE. Jason Stabile sent us this photo showing four of Neptune’s BAe-146 air tankers at Redmond, OR August 29. Neptune is changing their thinking, and is moving from trailers pulled by trucks to large van-type vehicles without a trailer. Air Spray is currently owns 5 BAE 146 aircraft for conversion to air tanker aircraft. The other includes a lot of taxiing, but also has several drops. BAe 146/Avro RJ regional jetliner. Defend it all you want, but no one needs to be within half a wingspan of the ground unless they're landing. That last second before hitting the wall occurred in the blink of an eye. The amount in each cup is measured to determine the quantity of retardant and the uniformity of the pattern. Interior of a Neptune BAe 146 with an internal tank (Credit: Leah Thompson/Santa Maria Times) They are 3,000 gallon US Forest Service Type 1 Airtankers , w hich forms the bulk of the fire-fighting fleet in North America. When I visited Neptune’s facilities at Missoula Friday, marketing manager Kevin Condit said four of their tankers are actively working. A BAe-146 exits the target area after making a retardant drop. N475NA/Tanker 03 (msn E2192) departed Neptune's Missoula base on 1 February, reaching Santiago on 4 February and continuing on to Concepción. Today we learned about two videos that were shot in September as Air Spray was putting their BAe-146 air tanker through the grid test at Fox Field in Southern California. — Aviões e Músicas (@avioesemusicas) August 13, 2019. RASM: Glad to see the crew realized and admitted what occurred. Here are more photos of Tanker 02 from the archives. Wildfire Today has more information about the Britania Mountain Fire which has burned over 32,000 acres eight miles northwest of Wheatland, Wyoming. The DC-10s cost a daily availability rate of about $50,000 plus an hourly flight rate of about $22,000. There is no cost, and in case you change your mind each email has an unsubscribe button. The U.S. Forest Service reduced the number of large air tankers on EU contracts from 20 in 2017 to 13 in 2018. The two pilots had a combined total of more than 15,000 flight hours. The number of RJ85 and BAe-146 air tankers continues to grow. Another five are at Missoula, MT and Alamagordo, NM. The RJ85 is a derivative of the BAe-146, but with improved engines. Drop height on SEATs used to be considerably lower than the 60-100′ they call for now…it wasn’t uncommon to be at 15′ on the drop for a long time, and I’ve been in heavy tankers and seen heavy tanker drops considerably lower. Hope to see others follow suit as narratives like this remind us all to be diligent. Photo by Josh Annas. Despite continuing United States Forest Service (USFS) budget issues, contracts recently awarded for the 2018 fire season show that the BAE Systems-built and supported BAe 146/Avro RJ Airtanker will be the most numerous aircraft to be deployed on these demanding missions. I tunnel visioned the drop, and continued down. Tanker 55 was damaged in … You can’t have it both ways, vigorously defending it and then saying “I didn’t defend it”. Picture by Jeff Zimmerman. Did you notice the dust being kicked up as the aircraft skimmed over the ridge? For additional information: 10 Tanker Air Carrier P.O. News; Operators; Home » Air tanker. It happens. Very quickly, I can think of a few events in the past few years in which the terrain was deceptive in lay, color, and lighting. A few days later, T-40 was on her way to … Have a fire aviation news tip? No less than six of Neptune Aviation Services's BAe 146 air tankers are now in California helping to fight raging forest fires. The report was filed August 1, 2019 by the crew of a BAe-146 about an incident that occurred July 1, 2019. 10 Tanker Air Carrier says their DC-10 can haul retardant to a fire at less than half the cost of a BAe-146 air tanker. The number of RJ85 and BAe-146 air tankers continues to grow. Friday two BAe-146’s were parked on the ramp at Missoula, 10 and 12, while two others, 02 and 15, were in the hangar for heavy maintenance. Using a 146/RJ as a strategic tanker may not be a good option. Photo Credit: U.S. Forest Service . This year we are attempting to get photos of the maintenance support vehicles that follow air tankers around from base to base. According to BAE Systems there are likely to be 18 of the aircraft that are operational by later this year and there are four more in various levels of conversion.. The new air tanker will be several decades younger … The Elephant Butte Fire burned about 50 acres on steep terrain southwest of Denver two miles northwest of Evergreen Lake, Colorado. IIRC the design specs for the 146 ‘STA’ tanker version included 2 wing pods in addition to a centerline hose. (UPDATE: a SAFECOM was filed that may be related to the incident above). I got into the drop and found it wasn’t good, wouldn’t have dropped when I saw how much the terrain came up on the exit, but put the load out anyway because I felt I needed the performance, and exited. Please, take this as a learning opportunity that no one had to die for. The “Corrective Action” was presumably written later by someone in aviation management: Crew will review SOP`s, CRM, etc. And, a Single Engine Air Tanker on the Paint Mine Fire three miles northwest of Nephi, Utah. Well, the engineering got expensive as all get-out”. We attempted to call Mr. Christy and Minden’s CEO, Len Parker, to get more information but the number we had used before no longer works. A lookout staffing a fire tower saw that P2V fly into a cloud bank as it was preparing to land at San Bernardino. Tanker 02, a BAe-146, dropping on the Elephant Butte Fire southwest of Denver, July 13, 2020. All of the P2V air tankers with their two 18-cylinder radial engines and two small jet engines are now retired, and most will find homes in museums. TANKER 10 (N472NA) 1989 British Aerospace (E2138) Neptune. As I stated, this was NOT on purpose. Thanks and a tip of the hat go out to Brian. I didn’t defend it, and I wasn’t flying it. Originally built as a passenger airliner, the BAE 146 is extremely fast and capable of carrying over 3000 gallons of fire retardant in its internal tank system. Mr. Condit said the maintenance personnel like them better because they are more nimble and easier to maneuver at tanker bases and motel parking lots. As can be seen in the photo at right, the converted quadjet has an oddly pregnant look, with an external tank beneath its fuselage, capable of holding 3,000 gallons (11,350 liters) of water or retardant. Photo Credit: U.S. Forest Service. Conair/Aero Flite Inc.’s RJ85 Airtankers were similarly busy helping to fight the Californian wildfires with both RJ85 Airtankers and CL-415 waterbombers in action. (UPDATE: a SAFECOM was filed that may be related to the incident above). [19] Another modern-era passenger aircraft that has now been converted for aerial firefighting missions in the U.S. is the McDonnell Douglas MD-87 jetliner. Basically, it's too small to be of much appeal as a tanker. The two quad-jet aircraft are similar — both are made by BAE — and can carry up to about 3,000 gallons of retardant utilizing gravity to empty the tanks. “quiet on the set!” Cameras start rolling. TANKER 07 (N807NA) 1954 Lockheed P2V-5 Neptune (131424). It generated many comments, with one person writing “it doesn’t appear to be a problem” while others considered it a good cautionary learning opportunity. We are not sure if the aircraft ever received a Supplemental Type Certificate from the FAA which is a major hurdle to overcome in addition to approval from the Interagency Airtanker Board. The first video of the Super Scooper on the lake shows the CL-415 variant. The BAe 146 is a small regional jetliner family, offering quiet, efficient operations with a distance of up to 1500 Nautical miles. 29/08/2019. Thursday, January 26, 2012 . I’m sure the crew never saw the close-in ridge that was camouflaged by the more distant one. The DC-10s are owned by 10 Tanker Air Carrier of Adelanto, California. … Monday, July 11, 2016. The concept was biased towards a fighter CAP operation, reminiscent of the Lightning days with Buccaneer support. IIRC the design specs for the 146 ‘STA’ tanker version included 2 wing pods in addition to a centerline hose. We turned a herd of cows in Montana pink once, that would have otherwise likely been killed (and the rancher threatened to sue…). The GAO has up to 100 days to review the contract award, which could delay entry into service of the new tankers until late in this year’s fire season — or longer, if the competition has to be re-opened. The BAe 146-100QC is the convertible passenger/freight version and the BAe 14… Above: Conair/Aero Flite Avro RJ85 Airtanker operating in California. There is no cost, and in case you change your mind each email has an unsubscribe button. CAL FIRE (CDF) S2T Tanker 71 working Sawtooth Complex Fire (2006) Sawtooth Complex Fire (Sept. 2006), San Bernardino County CA. Above: Three of Neptune Aviation’s BAe-146’s at Missoula, May 25, 2018. The BAE 146 is a four engine jet powered, large capacity air tanker for the control of wild fires. It looks like a promising replacement for all of the old air tankers now flying. The air tankers could be the ones photographed at Rocky Mountain Metropolitan Airport (JEFFCO) September 2, 2018. The NTSB described it as “controlled flight into mountainous terrain”. Fire Aviation BAe-146 tankers ready at Redmond. Conair is currently converting one Avro RJ85 / BAe 146-200 that they purchased in late 2011 for use as an airtanker. Recent news items on Neptune Aviation: More Neptune BAe 146 air tankers … Thanks and a tip of the hat go out to Ryan. There is a chance some of them could be busy during the next few days since lightning occurred in southern Oregon and northern … Did you notice the dust being kicked up as the aircraft skimmed over the ridge? video on August 14 of a BAe-146 air tanker dropping retardant on a fire. It is a pretty remarkable photo — five jet-powered air tankers that meet the basic U.S. Forest Service criteria to qualify as “next-generation” air tankers, which require the aircraft to be turbine or turbofan (jet) powered, be able to cruise at … Continue reading "Neptune … And, a Single Engine Air Tanker on the Paint Mine Fire three miles northwest of Nephi, Utah. TANKER 06 (N9855F) 1953 Lockheed P2V-5F Neptune (131445). Rick McClure, a free-lance photographer for the Associated Press and fire publications, got this spectacular photo of Tanker 41, a BAe-146, dropping on the Devore Fire … Neptune air tankers on EU contract this year are numbers 1, 3, 16, and 41. At the end of this video of a retardant drop by Neptune’s Tanker 01, a BAe-146, you will hear a four-letter word. Tim Cristy, Flight Operations for Minden, said in the video when explaining why the conversion of T-46 came to a stop, “We ran out of money. Author Bill Gabbert Posted on August 29, 2019 Categories Fixed wing Tags Redmond, T-01, T-10, T-12, T-40. While conducting retardant operations I descended below a ridge crossing altitude. Having a good visual on the exit terrain and knowing you have the performance to clear it (especially if the load failed to exit) are two different things. What I need to know when entering the drop is that I can exit with the load on board, if I can’t lose the load. Aero Union is now Airstrike. Like the other operators of large air tankers, Neptune Aviation is finishing the necessary off-season work on their fleet and are putting some of them to work. Thankfully there were no serious injuries reported in those two accidents, unlike the crash of the company’s T-99 on October 3, 2003 that killed the two pilots, Carl Dolbeare , 54 and John Attardo, 51. From Concepción, Tanker 16 has been used mainly for initial attack on fires thought to have… The lightning-caused fire has burned over 32,000 acres eight miles northwest of Wheatland, Wyoming. The BAE 146 is a four engine jet powered, large capacity air tanker for the control of wild fires. BAe-146 air tanker being tested, dropping water. And, please keep in mind our commenting ground rules before you post a comment. The test involves repeatedly dropping retardant over a grid of hundreds of cups on the ground. The number of RJ85 and BAe-146 air tankers continues to grow. The BAe 146 can carry up to 3,000 gallons of fire fighting retardant. Here is a sneak peak at the new look the Neptune’s tankers will begin sporting in 2021. THANK YOU DOUG for your experienced, reasoned, fact-filled posts. Avro RJ85 / BAe 146-200 Airtanker This just in! Bill Gabbert. Above: T-10 (a BAe-146), another BAe-146, and an RJ85 (center) at La Grande, OR. CAL FIRE (CDF) S2T Tanker 71 working Sawtooth Complex Fire (2006) Sawtooth Complex Fire (Sept. 2006), San Bernardino County CA. After watching, you will fully understand why. News & commentary about aerial firefighting, air tankers, and helicopters, The DC-10s operated by 10 Tanker will begin receiving new paint in January. Here is a link to a company, Minden Air Corporation, that is converting a BAe-146 into a fire tanker. There is a chance some of them could be busy during the next few days since lightning occurred in southern Oregon and northern California yesterday. Race car drivers as they begin to spin, feel the wall is not that close. on Four of Neptune’s BAe-146 air tankers are deployed, “Four of Neptune’s BAe-146 air tankers are deployed”, Neptune adopts new livery for their air tankers, Photos of aircraft on the Elephant Butte Fire, part 2 of 5, More details possibly emerge about air tanker’s hazardous exit out of drop area. Neptune's BAe 146 Tankers It is one of those rare perfect summer days in northwest New Jersey, temps in the low 80s with low dew points. Conair Group in Canada and Falko have entered into an exclusive agreement to market the Avro RJ 85/ BAe 146-200 as a type 1 airtanker carrying at least 3,000 gallons. One was a drop in southern Arizona in which a lead assured me that there was no rising terrain, though it appeared that way. With rising terrain on the exit, it’s very possible to have reduced clearance on the way out, so not too surprising. Another modern-era passenger aircraft that has now been converted for aerial firefighting missions in the U.S. is the McDonnell Douglas MD-87 jetliner. Problems with hydraulic systems led to landing gear failures on two P2Vs, T-48 and T-55, taking out Minden’s last two operational air tankers, which no doubt affected their incoming revenue stream. I don’t blame the lead, but he didn’t face nearly the same performance restrictions on exiting with a load, and certainly didn’t take that into account. The closer you become to an object the faster the closure rate becomes. Conair is the largest air tanker operator in the world with a fleet of around 50 fixed-wing special mission aircraft, including Convair 580s, Conair Firecats, Douglas DC-6s, and Lockheed Electra air tankers. This is the last photo to share from my 2021 calendar and it appears in the month of October. I haven’t defended a thing. This was a little fill in spot and I was really focused on finishing the line. It is possible that the remaining Sherpas may only be used for parts, Mr. Condit said. Following trials with the US Forest Service in Montana, the 146 has been released into… TANKER 12 British Aerospace BAE 146-200. At the end of this video of a retardant drop by Neptune’s Tanker 01, a BAe-146, you will hear a four-letter word. Tanker 01 is currently working for the U.S. Forest Service on an exclusive use contract. In fact, Neptune was the first ever US operator to contract with the USFS in 2011 for a Next Gen aircraft in the form of Tanker 40, a converted British Aerospace BAe 146. The aircraft has an unusual vinyl wrap — a forest scene on the aft section which certainly can’t be mistaken for another air tanker. Despite continuing United States Forest Service (USFS) budget issues, contracts recently awarded for the 2018 fire season show that the BAE Systems-built and supported BAe 146/Avro RJ Airtanker will be the most numerous aircraft to be deployed on these demanding missions. There’s often a lot of change from the time the tanker is requested to when it shows up, or from the time we leave a fire to when we return; the fire may have reversed direction, winds may have shifted, fire behavior may have picked up or died down. Every drop is a learning experience, whether our own or another. The BAe 146/Avro RJ Airtanker can meet the needs of aerial fire-fighters throughout the world, with Tankers 03 (msn E2192), 12 (msn E2196), and 41 (msn E2136) had left Missoula for California on 8 November. It has two BAe 146-200 that will be available for the 2015 fire season. Above: Conair/Aero Flite Avro RJ85 Airtanker operating in California. Talk to the crew. Following trials with the US Forest Service in Montana, the 146 … Re-engining with 2 larger engines instead of 4 APUs would yield some wing potential, but it would still be very tight. Click here to see the series of five installments of photos of aircraft on the Elephant Butte Fire. Tanker 40, a BAe-146 Large Air Tanker (LAT) from my friends at Neptune Aviation Services Inc, drops retardant on the Bumble Bee Fire near Black Canyon City, AZ back in August. Enter your email address to subscribe and receive notifications of new posts by email. A BAe-146 aircraft being tested by Neptune Aviation flies low over downtown Missoula earlier this week on its approach to a fire-retardant drop zone near Missoula International Airport. In the video Mr. Cristy said the test went well. The 146 first flew in 1981 while the RJ85 was first delivered in 1993. Today we are featuring Tanker 02, a BAe-146 operated by Neptune Aviation, N474NA. We do a lot of drops where there are no smoke and flames; sometimes to support a line that’s being put in such as reinforcing a dozer line, sometimes to work ahead of a line going in, sometimes to pre-treat an area, sometimes to extend a line ahead to prevent fire spread, sometimes to reinforce an area where the line is weak or inaccessible by ground crews, etc. It remains to be seen if the images of vegetation turn out to be camouflage, making it difficult to be seen by other aircraft when it is flying close to the ground.  The “N” number is hard to read (it’s N907AS) but that could be easily fixed. I asked if they ever carried a spare engine and he said no. Skippyscage.com got some great photos of the aircraft battling the blaze, both while they were over the fire and at the air tanker base at Rocky Mountain Metropolitan Airport (JEFFCO) northwest of Denver. BAe-146 air tanker being tested, dropping water. For more than 15 years Minden Air Corp has been working on the concept of transitioning from their Korean War vintage P2V air tankers to a jet, the BAe-146. By the end of the 2015 fire season, Neptune’s BAe 146 fleet had flown 1269 missions, dispensing over 3,715,000 gallons of … Tronos photo. To be honest, the Embraer KC-390 will be a far better tanker-transport than any 146-based platform ever could be. Typos or errors, report them HERE. 2. The first flight of the -100 occurred on 3 September 1981, with deliveries commencing in 1983. They may well have found themselves in a place they didn’t intend to be. Click here. Continue reading “Four of Neptune’s BAe-146 air tankers are deployed”, Have a fire aviation news tip? Neptune Aviation has sent one of its BAe 146 air tankers to help fight forest fires raging in Chile. on Air Spray tests their BAe-146 air tanker. Search for: Recent Posts. Where to hang AAR pods. Cutting it close on a fire retardant drop. Photo Credit: U.S. Forest Service. >Ground effect and the height at which wingtip vortices will begin to pick up dust like that, is about half the wingspan.<. The concept was biased towards a fighter CAP operation, reminiscent of the Lightning days with Buccaneer support. More news on BAe-146 tankers In late September BAe-146, T-40 (Neptune Aviation and Tronos) received interim approval from the Interagency Air Tanker Board. Photo: Tronos. As for the exit, a different matter than drop height, again, you can talk to the crew. Tanker 01 is currently working for the U.S. Forest Service on an exclusive use contract. This is more true of subtle variations than high-angle work. The conversions from airliners to air tankers is complete and they have no others waiting to be transformed. We posted a video on August 14 of a BAe-146 air tanker dropping retardant on a fire. Monday, July 11, 2016. Canada-based company Tronos has developed a fire fighting airtanker version of the BAE 146 airliner. The tanker is scheduled for eventual delivery to Canada-based Conair Aviation, and BAe says four operators (Air Spray Aviation Services, Minden Air, and Tronos, in addition to Conair) have placed orders for a total of 12 firefighting tankers. These aircraft were fitted with a luxurious bespokeinterior and operated in a VIP configuration with a capacity of 19 passengers and six crew. BAe-146 tankers ready at Redmond. After watching, you will fully understand why. — Aviões e Músicas (@avioesemusicas) August 13, 2019. BAe-146-200 makes its first drop on October 28, 2009. The company has a total of nine BAe-146 jet-powered air tankers. The BAe-146 was manufactured in 1989 and Minden acquired it, serial number E2111, in January 2009. The BAE 146 is a four engine, jet powered large capacity or "heavy" air tanker ideal for the aerial control of wild fires. The new paint scheme will make it easier for both air and ground observers to identify Neptune aircraft. The aircraft appears to be nearing the completion of its 5-year conversion. Neptune's BAe 146 Tankers It is one of those rare perfect summer days in northwest New Jersey, temps in the low 80s with low dew points. Neptune Aviation Services released this photo of the first of their BAe-146 air tankers to receive new livery. Hard to say what’s really going on with the fire tactics without a bigger picture a knowledge of what the fire personnel were dealing with at that exact time. Got a complaint? That was a close call, no other way to put it. According to BAE Systems there are likely to be 18 of the aircraft that are operational by later this year and there are four more in various levels of conversion. According to BAE Systems there are likely to be 18 of the aircraft that are operational by later this year and there are four more in various levels of conversion. Thanks. BAe 146/Avro RJ regional jetliner. After that they would have had to deal with the bewildering and unpredictable Forest Service contracting system before they ever received a dime from their large monetary investment. Remember that here, we’re not seeing what the crew saw in the cockpit. The crew can do that if they wish. Up to 15 were authorized to be transferred and as of today Neptune is working on their seventh, with the eighth soon to follow. This next one was taken when the U.S. Forest Service was experimenting with using an F-15 as a lead plane. It’s possible that a storm is moving in, with anticipation of a wind increase or shift, and drops begin in advance of that wind change. CAL FIRE (CDF) S2T Tanker 71 working Sawtooth Complex Fire (2006) Sawtooth Complex Fire (Sept. 2006), San Bernardino County CA. on Neptune adopts new livery for their air tankers, on Photos of aircraft on the Elephant Butte Fire, part 2 of 5, on More details possibly emerge about air tanker’s hazardous exit out of drop area, Thanks and a tip of the hat go out to Ryan. BAe 146 Avro RJ85 The ‘Next Generation’ of the Airtanker has arrived. News & commentary about aerial firefighting, air tankers, and helicopters. Yesterday one of our readers sent us information about a Safecom that may or may not be related to this incident. In March of this year they demonstrated it dropping water at the Aerial Firefighting Conference at Sacramento. I’ve dropped in the middle of fires when there’s containment on the outside, for cattle, structures, and other things that are within the fire interior; the fire may be burning elsewhere but that doesn’t mean it’s secure inside the fire line. Typos, let us know HERE. The company’s announcement said the new design has both. Thanks and a tip of the hat go out to Brian. The BAe-146 was manufactured in 1989 and Minden acquired it, serial number E2111, in January 2009. A BAe-146 aircraft being tested by Neptune Aviation flies low over downtown Missoula earlier this week on its approach to a fire-retardant drop zone near Missoula International Airport. Thanks and a tip of the hat go out to Marcel. We{crew} debriefed and talked about what happened, and of course, how to prevent this type of screw up. October 10, 2017 - Entertainment, NEWS - Tagged: Fire dropping 4 engine aircraft. Above we see a C-130 and below, a BAe-146. At the end of this video of a retardant drop by Neptune’s Tanker 01, a BAe-146, you will hear a four-letter word. In fact, Neptune was the first ever US operator to contract with the USFS in 2011 for a Next Gen aircraft in the form of Tanker 40, a converted British Aerospace BAe 146. TANKER 00 (Aero Union) Lockheed P-3 Orion 3000 gallons, based in California. It’s so much fun to sit on the bleachers and fuss and cuss, but Gabbert and the rest of us are fortunate to have some commentary from you. Conair Group is based in Abbotsford in Southwest British Columbia. The best tell of altitude is the relationship of the shadow to the airframe as it approaches the ridge line. Neptune Aviation‘s BAe 146 Tanker 12 (msn E2196) ended its contract with CALFIRE on 30 November and returned to the company’s base at Missoula, Montana.She was last Neptune 146 air tanker still operating this year, the others having returned to Missoula after completing their contracts with the US Forest Service at the end of October.. Mr. Condit explained that the company is proud of Montana, most of their 250 employees live in the state, and, it’s “tradition” for the company to only display the state flag on their aircraft. Lockheed drone crashes while mapping fires in New Mexico, U.S. Forest Service on an exclusive use contract, Three large air tankers are working the bushfire in Western Australia, Triple Nickles, paratroopers who fought wildfires during World War II, Photos of PBY-6A air tankers from the 1960s and 1970s, Chief Ranger/Pilot for Alaska’s Northern National Parklands Receives National Aviation Safety Award. TANKER … The Elephant Butte Fire burned about 50 acres on steep terrain southwest of Denver two miles northwest of Evergreen Lake, Colorado. Thanks and a tip of the hat go out to Marcel. If an engine suffers a bird strike, for example, which is more common than you’d think, they can ferry the BAe-146 back to Missoula on three engines, replace it overnight, and get the tanker back to its base the next day. Again, if you’ve never experienced that, you’re in your first season. It’s also possible that when a video is shot, we’re seeing only a portion of the fire; the active fire may be elsewhere and this may be tying off a spot fire, isolating a fire run, protecting a terrain feature such as a ridge or draw or island etc, or there may be something specific in the drop area that needs additional protection. Air Spray USA Ltd. of Chico, California has also converted the BAe 146 jetliner to the role of air tanker. 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